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Allan Lipman

PART IV

With the stock market crash that we have recently experienced, the decline in the market value of your homes and your Madoff losses, some of you may now be considering certain important lifestyle changes. How will these changes impact on your choice of domicile

  1. Can you now afford to maintain two homes? Should you sell one or both or at least downsize one of them?
  2. Should you spend more or less time in Florida? Should you cancel your summer vacation abroad and stay in New York those extra days or go elsewhere?
  3. Should you sell any items that are "near and dear" to you such as works of art, coin collections or one or both yachts that you have kept on a permanent basis in either Florida or New York? One of the four primary factors that a New York tax domicile auditor is required to take into account is where you keep items that are "near and dear" to you. A Florida or New York Court addressing the Madoff fraud may or may not consider that a major factor in deciding whether you have not effectively changed your domicile to Florida.
  4. If you are considering dropping out or changing your status in one of more country clubs or other organizations, which should you favor?
  5. If you are considering doing consulting or other work in New York or Florida, will it affect your domicile status?

For those of you who have previously considered but never taken steps to formally change your domicile from New York to Florida, you might wish to consider doing so at this time. If you are going to change your domicile, I suggest you do it sooner than later. You may wish to change your domicile to Florida even though you are present in a calendar year for more than 183 days in New York and still have to file a New York resident income tax return. As I mentioned earlier, there are no specific number of days that you have to be present in Florida to become a Florida domiciliary. The more, of course, the better if a domicile change is ever challenged.

For those of you who are considering changing your domicile to Florida, I suggest you review all sessions of my website to decide whether or not you are eligible to do so. The change may not only be of some advantage to you if you become enmeshed in Madoff litigation but result in some savings in New York income and estate taxes. But beware of the possibility that a change of domicile specifically to acquire Florida homestead creditor protection may not be viewed favorably by the courts.

It is ironic that after discovering your investment with Madoff is almost worthless that you have to be concerned with the possibility that you may have to pay back some of the cash that you received from his company, some or all of which you may have already spent. It would not be so bad if all of the cash taken out by all investors was paid back and you could share in the "pot," but that will never happen.

Some of you have more to worry about than others. If you have received back less than your investment, you are not as vulnerable as those of you who have received back more than you have invested. If you are a smaller Madoff investor or received a small amount back, you may fall under the radar screen.

There may be various successful defenses that you can raise if any proceeding is commenced against you to claw back funds.

As I stated at the outset, the fact that you are domiciled in either Florida or New York may not have any impact on attempts to claw back cash received by you. But it is a possible factor and one that you should review with your professional advisor before making any change. I have referred to the Florida homestead exemption. Both you and your advisor should review Session 8 at this website which deals with that subject matter in some detail.

During my presentation, I have referred to Madoff’s Ponzi scheme. Although there is an alleged confession, as of this moment there has been no indictment and Madoff should be considered criminally innocent until proven guilty.

I will be pleased to discuss your particular situation on a professional confidential basis. If you would like to contact me, I suggest you either email me at arl@lbfirm.com
or contact my office at (716) 204-1150 to arrange for a consultation in either Florida or New York.

For biographical information concerning my qualifications, click on Biographical Information at this website. If you would like any additional biographical information, please contact me and I will furnish it to you at no cost or obligation.

For additional contact information, refer to Contact Information at this website.

For a session list of related domicile issues that may be of importance to you, refer to Session List at this website.

You may be interested in printing out a copy of this transcript.

I hope you found this seminar helpful. There have been Ponzi type schemes in the past—but none like this one. We are all in unchartered waters.

Good luck!

Allan R. Lipman, a member of the NY and FL Bar.

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